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  50th anniversary of "Bloody Sunday" -- WHAT???

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  take a look at the linked ap photograph and tell me what you think:.

  - miss black u.s., miss black georgia and miss black teen .

  what would the likes of al sharpton say if the hallowed event this weekend at the edmund pettus bridge in selma, alabama had been attended by a miss white u.s., miss white georgia and miss white teen?

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  Marvin Shilmer

  "What I wrote is an opinion based on the names Black culture feels comfortable with and their reasons and circumstances for groups that self identify with their culture. When they have no need to stress who they are we will be in a better place.......... until then we can respect the great things black culture has accomplished. And we can lament the problems."

  I appreciate and much respect your contribution to the discussion. That said, it's not the name or names used in this instance that I find counterproductive. It's the use of skin color. A nation that would not judge by the color of skin but by the content of character is not a nation that would have a Miss [name a color of skin] character contest. If we want society to experience the dream it has to be brought to reality. We cannot walk alone.
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  50th anniversary of "Bloody Sunday" -- WHAT???

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  take a look at the linked ap photograph and tell me what you think:.

  - miss black u.s., miss black georgia and miss black teen .

  what would the likes of al sharpton say if the hallowed event this weekend at the edmund pettus bridge in selma, alabama had been attended by a miss white u.s., miss white georgia and miss white teen?

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  Marvin Shilmer

  A person does not have to be black to attend a historically black college or university. Same with black churches, and the Negro Baseball League too for that matter. Hence I don't know how any of these add to the subject.

  "It took until 1983 for a black women to become Miss America since then a total of 8 black women have won the crown."

  How many years will it take before a white women can win the Ms. Black US pageant?

  "There are a couple of Asian American Beauty Pageants."

  I can understand that, and I could understand a Ms. African American pageant too. Neither of those is (or would be) based on the color of a person's skin.

  "In Congress we also have the Congressional Black Caucus as well as a foundation called the Congressional White Caucus."

  I find the idea of a Congressional [name a Color] Caucus very offensive, not to mention counterproductive. In response to request by a non-black member of congress to be a member of the Congressional Black Caucus a CBC member reportedly said, "Primarily, we are concerned with the needs and concerns of the black population, and we will not allow white America to infringe on those objectives."

  That's not the dream, either. An important part of the dream is, "The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny. And they have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone."
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  50th anniversary of "Bloody Sunday" -- WHAT???

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  take a look at the linked ap photograph and tell me what you think:.

  - miss black u.s., miss black georgia and miss black teen .

  what would the likes of al sharpton say if the hallowed event this weekend at the edmund pettus bridge in selma, alabama had been attended by a miss white u.s., miss white georgia and miss white teen?

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  Marvin Shilmer

  "...had there been a miss white whatever in attendance everybody would have been up in arms."

  My best guess is that is what would have happened.
  

  "Maybe a better question Marvin Shilmer, is, why do you care?"

  I care about the dream.
  

  "Marvin, I think you are taking the MLK quote a little too literally."

  Too literally? A character contest labeled Ms. [name a color] is essentially a sign that says "For [name a color] only," which is a notion contrary to the dream.
  

  "Why would you have a white pageant? White standards of beauty are already considered the standard. A black pageant celebrates the acceptance of black beauty standards as beautiful as well."

  I can't think of any more or less reason to have a white character contest than a black character contest. Honestly I can't think of any reason to have a character contest designate for [name a color].
  
  
  
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  50th anniversary of "Bloody Sunday" -- WHAT???

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  take a look at the linked ap photograph and tell me what you think:.

  - miss black u.s., miss black georgia and miss black teen .

  what would the likes of al sharpton say if the hallowed event this weekend at the edmund pettus bridge in selma, alabama had been attended by a miss white u.s., miss white georgia and miss white teen?

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  Marvin Shilmer

  "I'm not really sure how the MLK quote above is relevant to a beauty pageant."

  A nation that would not judge by the color of skin but by the content of character is not a nation that would have a Miss [name a color of skin] character contest.

  "Sounds like you're fishing for ..."

  The only thing I'm fishing for is responsible dialogue.
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  50th anniversary of "Bloody Sunday" -- WHAT???

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  take a look at the linked ap photograph and tell me what you think:.

  - miss black u.s., miss black georgia and miss black teen .

  what would the likes of al sharpton say if the hallowed event this weekend at the edmund pettus bridge in selma, alabama had been attended by a miss white u.s., miss white georgia and miss white teen?

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  Marvin Shilmer

  "Why would a Ms. White anything be relevant?"

  Someone somewhere once said, "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."
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  50th anniversary of "Bloody Sunday" -- WHAT???

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  take a look at the linked ap photograph and tell me what you think:.

  - miss black u.s., miss black georgia and miss black teen .

  what would the likes of al sharpton say if the hallowed event this weekend at the edmund pettus bridge in selma, alabama had been attended by a miss white u.s., miss white georgia and miss white teen?

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  Marvin Shilmer

  You don't get that this anniversary has more significance to black Americans?

  I get that the event has great significance to black Americans. The event should have significance for all Americans.

  What I don't get is how a Ms. Black [name your pageant] helps the dream. Should the dream include a Ms. White [name your pageant]?
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  50th anniversary of "Bloody Sunday" -- WHAT???

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  take a look at the linked ap photograph and tell me what you think:.

  - miss black u.s., miss black georgia and miss black teen .

  what would the likes of al sharpton say if the hallowed event this weekend at the edmund pettus bridge in selma, alabama had been attended by a miss white u.s., miss white georgia and miss white teen?

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Take a look at the linked AP photograph and tell me what you think:

  - Miss Black U.S., Miss Black Georgia and Miss Black Teen

  What would the likes of Al Sharpton say if the hallowed event this weekend at the Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma, Alabama had been attended by a Miss White U.S., Miss White Georgia and Miss White Teen?

  For the life of me I don't get it.
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  Common lie told by Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  Big fat lie: Jehovah’s Witnesses abstain from blood
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  the GB stole my idea

  by user100 in

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  so in the early 90's when i was about to get baptized the elder asked me a million questions and one of them was: .

  who is the faithful and discreet slave?.

  my answer:.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Maybe so. Jesus is said to have told the truth, and he was treated like an apostate!
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  Over 96% Accept 99%!

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  today i added a new article to my blog that shares a bit of astounding evidence of just how ridiculous it is for a jw to tell anyone anywhere that jws abstain from transfusion of blood, and plasma in particular.

  this article is based on two studies authored by medical staff at duke university's center for blood conservation, a program that is heavily touted by the active "noblood" crowd among jws.

  one of these studies contains a real whopper of a piece of information!

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Today I got an email from a Watchtower apologist whining about this article presentation implying JWs fraudulently claim to abstain from transfusion of plasma. He said "You know perfectly well cryosupernatant is mostly water and jehovah does not ask us to abstain from water."

  Just for sake of future readers I'm going to attach a few pieces of information relevant to that brand of rationalization:

  1. Whole blood is mostly water. Depending on a person's level of hydration the mass of water in blood ranges from 80% to 90%. The typical level is around 85%.

  2. Fresh frozen plasma (what cryosupernatant and cryoprecipitate are rendered from) is mostly water. Typically fresh frozen plasma has a water mass of about 93%.

  3. Cryosupernatant is mostly water. Because cryosupernatant is 99% of fresh frozen plasma its water mass is within 1% of the water mass of fresh frozen plasma.

  Conclusion: If "mostly water" means "abstain from [name your substance]" can be ignored then we can accept [name your substance] whenever [name your substance] is "mostly water". Whole blood is "mostly water". Plasma is "mostly water".